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Playing A Little Pepper

A lot of people think the Rays could have kept David Price for the playoff run and received just as good of an offer this winter. Nobody knows for certain and the best evidence of that is noting that there are also some who believe the Rays would have had a harder time this winter. And this doesn’t consider that trading for Price this winter only helps you get to the World Series once. The Tigers have Price for two playoff runs.

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Source: FanGraphs

Lineup…

  1. Flash Jennings, CF
  2. Ben Zobrist, LF
  3. Matt Joyce, DH
  4. Evan Longoria, 3B
  5. James Loney, 1B
  6. Yunel Escobar, SS
  7. Cole Figueroa, 2B
  8. Jose Molina, C
  9. Kevin Kiermaier, RF
  10. Jeremy Hellickson, SP

 

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12 Comments

  1. Pam says:

    Wrong lineup. Dejesus and Myers?

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  2. MADMAN says:

    Friedman is getting worked over by the national media today, and for good reason! Any way you spin it, that was a lousy return for a Cy Young pitcher in his prime. No way that 'haul' adds up to DP14.

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    • Dave L says:

      After finally arriving at my destination and getting a decent WIFI connect this is my first chance to take in all of what went down since I went airborne.

      I must say cork you did a remarkable job of taking it all in one step at a time and putting it all in perspective You knew there would be howling and gnashing of teeth regardless of what was done or not done

      There sure have been some unrealistic expectations of what we could for 6 weeks plus one year of Price by many commentors.

      This was the perfect time to trade no doubt.

      Thanks for giving us a glimpse of the alternative offer. I was surprised at the inclusion of 2 current mlb players I was expecting the full hand of prospects.

      In the long run the trade will be ultimately judged by the kid in A ball. I think the ceiling for Smyly is not as high as Franklin but the floor is acceptable. If Smyly proves to be a #3 starter that would be great.

      Honestly I was just relieved to know I would no longer be watching the dead man walking Price and could move on.

      We are one 0-3 or 1-4 from the season being officially over. The prospect of a lesser haul and months more of the drama was something I'm glad was avoided.

      The timing was definitely the best In a bad season in order to maximize return

      Years will pass before we know if it was a good or not so good trade

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  3. Woodrow744 says:

    Never forget that this game (MLB, not baseball itself) is a game of money. Money for owners, money for players, and the money we fans spend to facilitate it all. Price could have stayed in Tampa Bay and made enough money for his grandkids to live comfortably, but pressures from peers and especially the union prevent that from being an option. Market value and all that.
    As far as the insiders, pundits, and national experts out there, I hope you all can get the froth out of your pie holes and get back to berating the fans and facility of the Rays, something I have been missing during this sideshow. Piss off, all of you.

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  4. KMAC says:

    Difficult to move a possible 2-time Cy Young winner? Highly doubful, even with the pitchers mentioned he is better and more of demand than all of them....I dont think fans care so much that we traded Price at this point in the season, its what we got in return for him that was a smack in the face and somewhat disrespecful towards David Price, he is worth much more.

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  5. Gus says:

    July 2014: Buyers for Stud Pitching: A's, Tigers, Yanks, Cards, Pirates Giants, maybe 1 or two more. Studs available: Price and Lester

    Winter 2014: Buyers for Stud Pitching : 27 teams (everybody but the Marlins and Astros):
    Studs Available: Scherzer, Lester, Shields and Price

    I think I'd rather be selling in Winter, not July. Bigger market, no time pressure. Can actually win something in 2014 and show your fans you give a rats ass about them.

    Yet another silly argument in favor of the trade (about 6 or 7 so far from Raysville).

    I

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    • Lloyd says:

      Well, why don't the Rays want stud pitching for themselves? Why not just keep Price?

      Oh, right, because the Rays can't afford to pay any one player $25 million per year.

      Do you really think next winter there will be 27 teams willing to pay $25 million per year for Price? I don't think so. Not the Royals, Indians, Twins, A's, Marlins, Nationals, Astros, or Brewers, just to name a few obvious examples.

      So let's say there's 13-17 teams that could afford Price. How many of those teams have farm systems that could reasonably get Price?

      Then, out of those teams, how many of them will actually trade their top prospects for the honor of making Price a very rich man? At least some of them will choose to keep prospects and "settle" for signing Lester and co.

      What's left is the actual real trade market for Price, and I don't think that number is very high. Certainly not 27 teams.

      The very reason the Rays must trade Price is the same reason they can't get the haul they want for him -- other teams are in the same boat and can't afford him. Part of the reason the Royals jumped on the Shields deal is because they don't ever get a chance to trade for MLB top pitching, kind of like, you know, the Rays.

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  6. Dave L says:

    The main thing to keep in mind is in the winter your tradable guys are competing against FA for which nothing is needed to be lost and for deep pocket teams that's not as much a concern.

    You can't discount the FA market

    There are no alternative FA pitchers July 31 in any year. That's why the deadline is a unique moment every year to maximize return.

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  7. Ken H says:

    Now that the we have all picked sides and made a decision on the wisdom/idiocy of the Price trade let's stop and pause. For those of us who think the deal was horrible, and that includes me, move on. Root for the Rays or not, continue to attend games or not, but please stop the FO bashing. Venting is healthy to a point, continued venting becomes boring, unhealthy and you might pop a vessel. What's done is done.
    For those out there who support the trade and think it's a good move stop with the apologist comments. You'll never convince those who hate the trade of it's value and you're beginning to sound like a bunch of Stepford Wives.
    As Dave L pointed out, all trades, especially trades of this magnitude, will take a few years to evaluate. Let's all get back to commenting on what's happening now!
    I'll go first...I love KK's hustle and passion but feel he needs a lot more development as an outfielder. He overreacts often, dives too much, and takes poor routes to the ball. He should watch film of Sammy Fuld.
    Go Rays. Aside to Dave L, please don't respond to JimDon's posts, we need to get rid of the clutter. :)

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  8. Mr. Smith 1980 says:

    Man, I was positive in the 8th, then willing to bet the farm in the 9th, that the Rays were coming away with a win last night...
    Unacceptable to have 'em loaded with none out and score 0 in the 9th.

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