Jake OdorizziThe GBT – The Good, The Bad and The Telling sandwich, where The Bad is nice and lean and the The Telling is ripe.

White Sox 7, RAYS 3 (boxscore)

THE GOOD: Flash Jennings. It seems like we have seen Desmond Jennings’ speed on display a little bit more recently. I wonder if Joe Maddon has urged Flash to be more aggressive. The latest was scoring from second on a sac fly to the wall (see video below). The center fielder did fall down, but he got rid of the ball quickly and Jennings still scored…Ryan Hanigan, Hanigan has an amazing arm. He is now 5-10 throwing out base stealers and his latest, on Adam Eaton last night, was absolutely gorgeous. Ben Zobrist basically stuck his glove out and Hanigan put the ball right in the glove with time to spare (See video here).

THE BAD: Everything.

THE TELLING: The game was never delayed. There was steady rain over the last few innings, but the heavy rain held off until after the game…The Rays’ chances of making the playoffs is now down to 39.6%.

THE JUNKYARD DOGS WEBTOPIA

  • Don Zimmer is still hospitalized and on a ventilator, but is reportedly showing signs of improvement. [TampaBay.com]
  • Manager ejections are way down, but ejections overall are relatively unchanged because players and other coaches are being thrown out more often. [BI Sports]
  • The Rays roster is not as young as you might think. [Fangraphs]
  • CJ Riefenhauser got a little revenge against Dean Anna. [WDBB]
  • Grading old Bucs drafts. [JoeBucsFan]
  • DOWN ON THE FARM [boxscoresWilson Betemit’s 6th home run tied the game with 2 outs in the 9th inning. But the Bulls lost in 13. Nate Karns gave up 5 runs in 5 innings.

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  1. Jim says:

    Ok, so bash away. If we lose both of these upcoming series with BOS and NY, then it's time to start shopping Price. Even with Price we don't have the pitching to make the playoffs. I realize that we were 6 games out this time last year, and I remember the miracle comeback, but I truly don't believe we are able to compete this year. you gotta admit that this year feels a lot different.

    But I'm sure the FO and Joe will hold on to him for some hope of making the wildcard. Hell, it truly wouldn't surprise me it we didn't hold on to him next year ala Carl Crawford. We overvalued him and walked away with nothing, somehow hoping that he would be the missing piece to get us to the WS. I hope we learned from that.

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    • Drew says:

      The Rays never shop. They let teams come to them. There is no reason to give the impression to other teams that they are selling. That will lower any returns they may get in a trade.

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      • Jim says:

        i'm pretty sure the entire MLB knows that Price is available, pardon my "shop" term. We overvalued Crawford, and by all accounts, we were asking way too much for Price. It's time to come down to earth and look at any reasonable offer for Price.

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        • OriginalTom says:

          If the Ray's were to make Price available what type of return would you expect Jim?

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          • Jim says:

            How much? a lot more than we got for Carl Crawford. We held on to him too long, overvalued him, and claimed we were a WS quality team and he was the piece that we couldn't afford to deal.

            We took the "we're sooooo close" approach and got left holding the bag. Teams just laughed at our trade demands and basically the ones that could afford him, just waited us out.

            Without 3 quality starters and a hell of a bullpen, this team isn't a playoff team. WE'RE built on pitching, Price can only contribute so much. I just hope we don't let the window close on getting quality returns for him.

            Do I want to move him? No, but we have to. But do i want to keep him on an 85 win team? Hell no, it serves ZERO purpose.

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          • Mr. Smith 1980 says:

            Jim's missing the forest through the trees. First, I'll reiterate that according to the Rays calendar on my desk it's still April, so this is all at least 60 days premature. Second, Jim still hasn't stated exactly what he thinks the return for Price would be. If you are certain that Price should be dealt then you should have a pretty good idea of what he should fetch on the market.

            I can assure you that if the Rays walk away form the Boston and NYY series with a sweep of either team or 5 wins then the whole world, including Jim, jump back on the "well, if they can hang in there until Cobb-er get's back they may be the best team in baseball by the end of the summer" camp... this is baseball, the pendulum swings slowly.

            A good rule of thumb is that if sweeping two consecutive series lands you at our near the top of your division then you're in the hunt. The Rays are not going to cut ties with a premier lefty because they're 5 games back in April... that's silly. If the organization pulls the plug on the season this early you might as well just kiss revenue goodbye for the rest of the season, and fan loyalty will suffer drastically.

            The Rays are poised to be the best offensive team in franchise history, so they don't need record setting pitching to make the playoffs. Also, if you look at the back end of the bullpen the potential is there for it to be the best in the game.

            There is no way the starters continue to average as few innings per game as they have been, so that will only help as well.

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          • Jin says:

            No I said if we lose the next two series and are possibly 9 games out the first wekk of may, then we should at least start to start the process of moving price.

            Best offensive team in rays history + worst pitching team in years= no playoffs.

            Revenue? Fan loyalty. Yeah dumping Price is gonna make us last in attendance.

            I haven't jumped off. I'm just saying that we are a team built on solid pitching. With 3,of our starters on the DL, this isn't a typical rays slow start. And I truly hope we dont waste the possibility of getting a huge return while chasing another miracle comeback season that may never occur.

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          • OriginalTom says:

            Jim ,

            In one post you are saying we should get a huge return for Price in another you are saying we over valued CC and we should not do the same with Price. What type of return to you believe we SHOULD expect for Price?

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  2. Jason says:

    calm down, its 26 games in. But I concur, Cobb and Hellickson can't get here soon enough. Colome screwed us by getting suspended cause I think the way things are panning out Odorizzi would be back in the minors. I think Bedard starts to become better starting with this start, he's finally stretched out and if he can get past the first without any runs given up, he has been good after that. Just stinks right now, need to go on a 7-10 game winning streak and fast.

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    • Jim says:

      Cobb and Moore are big missing pieces, I just don't see Hellickson coming off of elbow surgery and a 5.2 ERA season is not going to somehow pull us out of the cellar.

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  3. AJNO says:

    howd we start off last year? year before? year before that?

    ooooohhhh, b-b-b-but this year is different...

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  4. Jim says:

    yeah this year is different, 3 starters on the DL, and who knows when they return, and how well they perform when we get 2 of them back. huge difference our pitching BAA is .050 worse than those years and about a .5 era difference.

    so what's the magic number at the trade deadline for you guys? how many games out do we have to be before we move Price. what's the point of having him on this team if we aren't in the hunt?

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  5. caity says:

    I just checked the standings.. only 4.5 games out It's still April.

    Now, if the Rays keep sucking in June, I'll start getting worried.

    It's April though, calm down.

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  6. JMN says:

    If they can play at least .500 baseball until Cobb and Hellickson get back I still have hope. With that being said, they need to win a couple back to back series soone, then at least every other series until then. I still have hope and shopping price around before the end of May even is premature.

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  7. Dave L says:

    Right now we are 11-15. After 26 games last year? 12 and 14.

    Cobb had yet to go down, Price would be lost for a while.

    How'd that work out?

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    • Jim says:

      How'd that work out? we squeaked into the wildcard by a single game. So if we would have started 11-15 last year we wouldn't have made the playoffs.

      once again, how many games out before the trade deadline would be the magic number to move Price?

      If we wait until the last minute to pull the trigger, then you have greatly reduced the number of quality teams that may have interest. if you wait until the end of the season, then you possibly have a one year rental.

      If the trade is not made at the deadline, and we don't make the playoffs, then the front office has wasted $5 million in salary for nothing. You'll hear the same spin as with CC, you can get more at the end of the season because more teams are involved. which is complete BS because nobody wants to just rent him and only a few can afford him long term. Hopefully the same situation won't repeat itself, and teams that are really interested don't say "hell, we might as well just wait a year and then we don't have to give up anything."

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      • OriginalTom says:

        Except they lose a draft pick.

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        • Jim says:

          BFD, a draft pick for a $20+ million player. That's a great FO move. Just like CC.

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          • Rob says:

            Not to mention, they haven't drafted very well in recent years.

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          • OriginalTom says:

            Jim,
            I am pretty sure in retrospect the Red Sox would have preferred the draft pick to CC , though, that is not my point. It is also difficult to fault the team for keeping CC when in his walk year they lost a tough 5 game playoff series to the eventual AL representative in the World Series.

            My question is what do you think they will get for Price if they trade him, It will obviously be prospect but how talented of a prospect? We have seen a few elite pitchers traded at the end of there deals (Lee twice, Grienke, Sabathia, Johann Santana) how did those trades pan out? What type of package do you believe the Rays will get.

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    • Dave L says:

      Ok Jim bottom line is we all understand you have given up on the year on April 29 being 4.5 games out of first place, but the vast majority of Rays fans haven't. What is to be gained by trading him in May that can't be gained at the trading deadline in a penant race should we truly be a lost cause?

      Playoffs may be a failure in your eyes but not mine.

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    • Rob says:

      11-16 and falling fast.

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  8. ken says:

    Nothing like playing like crap to get the fans in an uproar. Should we be concerned? From a historical perspective I say yes. Since 2008 the Rays have had 3 losing records after 26 games, 2009 (11-15, no playoffs), 2013 (12-14, squeaked into the playoffs) and this year, 11-15. All of us thought the Rays had a much improved team this year until the injury bug hit us hard. Mr. Smith's comment has a lot of merit. 2 of 3 from both the Sux and the Yanks on the road would bring some life back to both fans and players alike. Yet, I remain concerned. Why? Because it appears that we're playing with a 21 man roster. Guyer, Rodriguez, Forsythe and Leuke play sparingly and usually under-perform when in the line-up. Note I'm not even counting Molina here. For a team that needs all 25 players to contribute, something has to give.
    Whether it's drastic call ups that Rob suggested the other day or a more cautious one player at a time approach is sure to happen soon and that may help, but it's not a cure.
    Price will not be traded soon, if at all. The Rays don't play Seller's market game. So that's not an answer. Myers will hit better, so will Longo but that's not the answer either.
    If we can straighten out the 3, 4, 5 starter slots we will right the ship. If not, don't want to think about it yet.

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