On Saturday night, Fernando Rodney threw a pitch up-and-in to Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera wasn’t happy. After the game Jim Leyland said “there’s a price to pay for that.” And sure enough, in his first at bat, Ben Zobrist was hit by a pitch thrown by Rick Porcello.

So, just so we are all on the same page. According to Leyland, throwing up-and-in and not hitting a guy is a big no-no. But throwing up-and-in and hitting a guy on the other team is perfectly acceptable. As we said earlier today, Leyland is a hypocrite. Plain and simple. A Bush League hypocrite…

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  1. Joe says:

    Is this a joke? Leyland said there was going to be a price to pay, as there should be, and there was. There's absolutely nothing hypocritical or bush league about that. You want bush league? Watch last night's game, when Rodney got his panties all twisted because big bad Cabrera supposedly "mocked" his celebration and he tried to hit him in the head not once, but twice.

    By the way, you seem to not know the difference between head shots and up and in, so this is a perfect time to explain it. See what Porcello did? That's up and in. Hit him in the upper arm at 94 MPH, no danger to his head. He has very good control. See what Rodney did? That's a head shot. A guy with control issues throwing a 98 MPH pitch that could've easily hit Cabrera's head. That should garner a suspension.

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    • Cork Gaines says:

      It's hypocritical because Leyland said throwing near somebody's head was wrong. And then turns around and HITS a batter with a pitch near his head.

      That is the definition of being hypocritical. If you can't see that, it is just because you are being a homer.

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    • Beazy says:

      LOL Joe, where do you come up w/ this stuff?

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    • Dave L says:

      You correctly identify that Rodney has control issues, usually resulting in a pitch that gets away high, usually over the plate.

      This one however was inside and got away high.

      So according to your logic pitchers with control issues should not pitch inside?

      might is fancying himself a baseball immortal who must be pitched differently than other players.

      Often on called strikes he nodes playfully to the pitcher as if to say ah grasshopper you got lucky.

      But strike him out and he glowers back at the mound while returning to the dugout.

      Baseball has a way of punishing hubris.

      Proper retaliation would have been for the Tigers to pitch inside repeatedly to Rays hitters who are vulnerable there with impunity until one finally got away.

      We may not have your talent, but the Rays play to win the game.

      Leyland is a great manager as long as he has transcendent talent and can afford to give bases away. Rays have to be smarter and employ less bullshit machismo crap.

      Nice series win.

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      • JJ says:

        Great observation on Miggy's habit of nodding. I believe he did it to Torres during a game in Detroit. Torres K'ed him on the next pitch and he stared at the mound all the way back to the dugout.
        WTF, does he think he's the Pope of Baseball?

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  2. bbmern says:

    Whoo hoo! We win!

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  3. Beazy says:

    I'm sorry to ask (Cork), but listening to RayRadio said how Miggy was flinching a lot, and I was wondering if we can getta GIF of the at bat of Farns vs. Miggy? Thanks either or...

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    • Cork Gaines says:

      He wasn't really flinching. It looked like a batter that likes to watch the ball all the way into the catcher's mitt. He would turn as the pitch passed him, but I think it was more that he wasn't mentally ready to swing the bat, not necessarily bracing himself.

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  4. Nathan says:

    I can respect Leyland for sticking up for his guy, BUT to think that Rodney was trying to hit Miggy is a joke. 3-3 game in the 10th and he had him down 1-2. Rodney's ramped up as evidenced by the previous pitch getting away from him at 100mph. Miggy got out of the way of an inside pitch is all. The ball was 12-15 inches from his head when he moved. This tit for tat crap should stop. Based on Leyland's logic, batters are going to start getting hit quite a bit. I bet we could find 10-15 pitches close to a batter in all the other MLB games. I guess those teams should plunk someone in the first inning. Sad that force a guy to throw at someone not knowing if they might really get hurt.

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  5. Jay says:

    Hollow win today. Series win nice, but I am sure the Tigers and the league loses respect for how TB protects its players. Joe hopes the league will look into it. Take care of it yourself. I wonder how Zobrist feels about that. I guess the rest of the league can feel free to plunk any of our guys now, there will be no retaliation or otherwise standing up for you teamates. The league may look into it though.

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    • Mr. Smith 1980 says:

      Warnings were issued after Zobrist got hit. Had the Rays retaliated there would have been suspensions heading in to a critical stretch of the schedule (a stretch that, on paper, should give the Rays a good run at the top of the division).

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      • Jay says:

        I do not care one our pitchers should have stood up for him. Probably not Hellickson as it would have blown out the bull pen, but it sounds like you are suggesting they should only stick up for there own when it is convenient. As noted, nice to win the series, but I sure did not feel good after yesterday. That is one crappy thing about the American League though, pitchers in the NL, especially starters, need to think long and hard before plunking a guy.

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        • Mr. Smith 1980 says:

          So you'd feel better if the Rays went with a short bullpen?

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        • Beth says:

          This sort of attitude maybe makes sense in middle school.

          Once we hit adulthood we find other ways to make our point.

          Since in the AL you can't actually hit the offending pitcher, how does hitting some random guy on the other team act as a deterrent? Has anyone actually asked ML pitchers whether they refrain from throwing inside against certain teams because some random guy on their team could get hit? I'd like to find the pitcher who actually changes his approach based on this knowledge.

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  6. Mr. Smith 1980 says:

    Maybe someone with a better grasp on the CBA can enlighten me on this; if a player goes from hitting 76 homeruns over 7 years and then suddenly goes on a tear and hits, say 31, in 80 games can the league come in and draw blood to test for PED's or does it have to be totally random?

    I often wondered this in the case of Bautista when he went from 6 years of sucky to 54 homers in 2010, and now Davis makes me wonder again.

    (Cabrera is also (as Cork pointed-out) following a freakishly similar path to the same growth as one Barry Bonds.)

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    • Mr. Smith 1980 says:

      Anyone?

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      • JJ says:

        I agree on Davis, in fact said it to my son during the opening series this year. He hit one to left center one-handed. Not the case with Miggy though, in his first full season he hit over 30 and he's only gone below that number once (26) since. Interesting is the fact that in the 26 HR season he had 10 HBP's and 5 or less in every season after that. Pitching him in tight more often just might be effective.

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  7. Melissa says:

    I haven't read all the comments yet, but I didn't see anyone mention the fact that Miggy mocked Rodney's arrow bit at the end of the first game in the series. Also, the D.R. beat Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic. Perhaps there is some bad blood between these two...just saying.

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    • Cork Gaines says:

      It was mentioned in a couple of previous posts. And yes, I think that is where this started...

      http://www.raysindex.com/2013/06/fernando-rodney-versus-miguel-cabrera-was-the-best-moment-of-the-rays-season-so-far.html

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  8. reeni645 says:

    Rays have the last laugh. Because Tigers lot those two games, they dropped out of 1st place in the Cengtral Division!

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  9. Beazy says:

    ? So a pitch that got away from Rodney warrants a HBP to Zobrist? Really? The only reason this got blown out of portion is because if Miggy gets hurt the Tigers season is over...

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  10. Rick says:

    Don no offense... you are sticking up for tigers manager. Thats basebal,l you get pitched in, littie puss cabrera just couldn't take it,. it scared his little puss face....

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  11. JJ says:

    Totally a hypocrite is Mr. Leyland. He ordered the hit then totally denied it post game. Don, your boy Jimmy is an old school asshole. Maddon's move of bringing in Farnsworth was a classic. Miggy 5-7 against Farns. Instead he turned away from the first 3 pitches, assuming he was going to be hit. If he had any balls he would have taken the hit and charged the mound. Problem is he knew Farns would kick the living spit out of him. Maddon totally psyched him out. More teams should do the same.

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  12. Dave L says:

    Yes Don. Rodney forgot he was supposed to bow before Miguel the great. Since he has well known control issues up he forgot he wasn't allowed to pitch the Savior inside.

    You try so hard to stick up for the opposing team but why do you always pick the wrong battles?

    Your insinuations of dissension within the Rays clubhouse are comical. Zobrist is a pro as is Rodney.

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  13. Chris Stilwell says:

    Sorry but the best explantion is that Cabrerra's punishment should be to watch his own petulant spoilt child reaction to being brushed back and then to watch Zobrist's dignified reaction to being deliberatly hit that will tell you who the "Real Man " is!

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