The CityScape group is currently presenting their proposal for a new Rays stadium to be built in the Carillon area of St. Pete (see map below). Below is the stadium they have in mind. The stadium appears to be a retractable roof (with the roof panels stacking behind home plate) and like the Marlins new park, it looks like the glass walls beyond the outfield open. [Read more about he proposal at]

Keep in mind that there is no plan to pay for this porject and the Rays have never shown any public interest in this project. However, Michael Kalt of the Rays is at the presentation.

Also, the title of the presentation is “Mad about Plaid,” suggesting these guys have never actually seen a Rays game…

And here’s the fixed-roof option. Those are clear roof panels, which sound like a nightmare to keep clean…

Finally, here’s the view from the ground…

And here’s where the new stadium would be located (click on map for a larger version…



  1. Adam W says:

    There’s a lot of valuable property right there. Good luck buying it up and then tearing it down, especially since you’ve already announced where you want the stadium. That just gives all the bargaining power to the prospective sellers.

  2. Dave L says:

    This plan must include alot of dredging because I didnt think the bay was that close?

    At least it made to the pie in the sky phase of development. Now they just just need to make us an artists rendering of the money they will use to fund such a project in this area in 2012 going forward. Draw pictures of hundreds of million dollar bills with Babe Ruth’s face on them.

  3. slacker775 says:

    I know it’s just artist renderings and all but…. uh…. where is the parking? Or does everyone just park at Westshore mall and get shuttled across the bridge?

    • Cork Gaines says:

      There are apparently 14,000 parking spots already on site for the local businesses. Of course, that leaves a couple of problems: 1) those businesses are going to want to be compensated for using their spots at night and there is no guarantee they will give up all of them; 2) what happens during weekday afternoon games?

  4. Thad says:

    Not sure why they are even considering retractable roof as an option. I can’t imagine there are more than a handful of nights from April 1 thru October 31 in Tampa that an open air game would even be a consideration. That’s the absolute worst time to be outside in the Bay Area. Even at night!

    MAYBE you could argue that April can be tolerated (although not every year) and MAYBE it starts to get a little better by mid-October, but it’s no guarantee and for CERTAIN open air games would be miserable and out of the question from May thru September.

    Just not worth the money, IMO. Go to a game at the Ballpark at Arlington sometime and tell me that was a good idea. That place is hot as he!!. There’s a reason they play every Sunday game after April at night. And it’s STILL too hot.

    • nate says:

      Amen to that. What we need is a structure in St Pete with a roof. Preferably near downtown (close to businesses)….. and close to the interstate for access.

      Get me one of those.

  5. Gus says:

    Better looking than I expected, but the clear roof will be difficult to catch the ball against (the Astrodome originally had a clear roof but they had to paint it because the balls were too difficult to catch). Clear glass also seems to be impossible to keep cool. I vowed never to trust a stadium architect again after the catwalk fiasco, so I think we need real answers there.

    The retractable roof is an awfully expensive price to pay for the ability to grow grass; Marlins ended up with less than 10 dates with an open roof.

    Don’t worry about parking; the Rays should have such problems.

    That hack Michael Kalt should return to the Bronx and give those kids the recreation facilities he promised to deliver on behalf of the Yankees that as of the last ESPN report were still undelivered.

    • Cork Gaines says:

      They claim they can still grow grass even with the fixed roof.

      • Gus says:

        The guys in Houston claimed they could grow grass indoors too — and it turned brown after one season. “Astroturf” was invented for the next season in Houston. Are these architects the old HOK guys? If so, they should work for free on the next stadium. Those hacks screwed up so bad on the Trop.

        • Cork Gaines says:

          to be fair, the technology was a little different in 1965. And yes, HOK and HKS Sports are the same (recent name change). And I can tell you that The Trop was not their fault. They were given a list of specifications and demands, and a very small budget. I know somebody that used to work there and they don’t even claim the Trop as one of their stadiums. They like to pretend it never happened.

          • Gus says:

            The catwaks were 100 % malpractice by hok. They avoided liability only because the defect was discovered after statue of limitations lapsed (no baseball played for 8 years after stadium opened). Ask anybody from city or naimoli era.

          • Cork Gaines says:

            Well, there ya go. And since then, they somehow managed to build Camden Yards, GAB, Comerica, Minute Maid, Citizens Bank, PNC, PetCo, Target Field, Citi Field, new Yankee Stadium, and PacBell Park, just to name a few baseball stadiums, wihtout screwing up catwalks.

          • Gus says:

            They had a great resume in 1986 too. More to the point, they never owned up to their mistakes when they came to light and pinellas taxpayers are in the box they are now in because, in part, hok messed up the trop in a major way and had problems from day 1.

            (Note: I am not a competing arhitect. Just a bitter taxpayer who doesn’t forget when somebody screwed my community (they also weasled out of their non compete to help the marlins retrofit joe robbie for baseball).

  6. maggie says:

    Been wondering why ANYONE would even think of a retractable roof here. Then I realized it’s because you can say you have one. For my money there are NO days between the Apr. and Oct that I would pay to be outside.We went to a day game at Al Lang in Feb 2 yrs ago and left because of the heat. My daughter went this year in Mar and left for the same reason. They more more expensive though and that’s a plus.

  7. MJ says:

    its surprising to me how sensitive people are to 80 degree weather. maybe i dont care because i am a true born and raised Floridian, not old, and a baseball purist.

  8. RayBuc12 says:

    The location is about as good as it gets, for the entirety of Tampa Bay. And the stadium needs to have natural grass, period, whatever it takes.

    Parking can be achieved in several ways. First, the owners/builders need to gain control of some land in adjacent areas (including ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN WEST SHORE) for parking and turn this whole thing into an amusement park experience with trolleys or other conveyances to get people from their cars to the ballpark and fun spots in between. A dedicated baseball lane on the Howard Frankland would be a nice idea on game days/nights.

    Carillon residents and business tenants willing, they need to become a baseball neighborhood that feeds into the stadium.

    The Rays’ initial mistake was to trap all the concession commerce inside the ballpark (left, center and rightfield Streets) and shutting out the possibility of any businesses (besides Ferg’s) from emerging and prospering outside the ballpark.

    All that said, I don’t think the Rays are interested, or have ever been interested, in Tampa Bay building them a new ballpark. Stew the Vaporizer has been dead set on moving the team out of Florida from Day One. That waterfront ballpark idea was designed to be rejected. It was laughable. That’s called bad faith.

    I have no faith in the current ownership. Naimoli is looking better and better each day. Say what you want, he wasn’t an absentee owner with a PhD in Hedge Fund Sharking.

  9. Rome says:

    One word: Parking?

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