Players drinking booze during games. A manager that might have a painkiller problem. Disagreement over the Carl Crawford signing. A general lack of leadership or voice. These are all reasons being cited today for the epic collapse of the 2011 Boston Red Sox.

But does any of it matter? On the one hand, does the Boston Globe write this scathing story if the Red Sox win one more game this season and make the playoffs? Probably not. But some would argue that one more win and a trip to the playoffs would have just masked the problems of a team that most thought would easily win 100 games and reach the World Series.

Booze, Painkillers, And Misspent Cash: The Gory Details Of The Red Sox Collapse Are In [BUSINESS INSIDER]



  1. TP says:

    I think some of the points raised in this article might make some sense (e.g., the pitchers not working on conditioning, resentment against owners) but it really starts to lose a lot of credibility when they criticize Ellsbury for only hanging out with Lowrie or they call out Gonzalez for complaining about the hectic travel schedule when both were putting up MVP caliber numbers for a large part of the season. I think a lot of the cheap shots against the already-departed Francona were particularly egregious, and the divorce/painkiller accusations were almost slanderous.

    It's just the silly Boston media culture. The Braves' collapse was just as epic but you won't see any sensational pseudo-psychoanalysis there (even though Lowe was caught drag-racing while allegedly drunk).

  2. Gus says:

    It is good for the Rays if it leads to further discord in Boston. It is bad for the Rays if it leads to a needed house-cleaning. Hard to tell, but fun to read. Only slander if it is false.

    The yacht story just makes it awesomely ludicrious.

    Cork: the picture up top of BJ running the bases (assuredly on his way to be thrown out) is just painful. Can we look forward?

  3. S says:

    what's funny is that Price catches hell from some for his antics on his days off.

    i just can't imagine a starter who on his day off doesn't care to observe the batters he's gonna face. the red sox have a bunch of overpaid primadonna, that have already cashed in. it really doesn't look very bright for their future, and i am deeply sad because of it.

    it's not like it was a player or two, it sounds like pretty much the entire group had work ethic issues.

  4. Morgan says:

    If I were an everyday player working my tail off and walked in the clubhouse during the game and saw the pitching staff enjoying chicken wings and beer, I'd have some resentment as I went back into the dugout or back onto the field to play the game. There is ample time after the game for all players to kick back and enjoy a brew or whatever.

    I hope our team doesn't do these shenanigans. Can't see where it would be any good for team chemistry.

    go Rays.

  5. Ken Heller says:

    If Papi has had enough of the media circus that whirls around the Yanks/Sox he'd be advised to consider joining the Rays. While the money wouldn't be as good, the clubhouse and players would more than make up for it...and what better way to stick it to the rich boys.

  6. Morgan says:

    Steve Duemig frequently mentions that the Rays players have been using marijuana. He spoke about marijuana being stolen along w/ the AK-47 during the preseason (Longoria/Price's apartment). He told his listeners that JP Howell was practically a pothead and shouldn't have been allowed to pitch at key points in the season.

    Do the Rays have "issues" themselves - but our beatwriters look the other way and don't report it?

    • S says:

      Steve Duemig also said that a second person was rescued in the nick schuyler boat accident. just saying that maybe you should consider the source....

      if jp howell is smoking weed, do you honestly think that he just started this season? if they were doing bonghits in the clubhouse, then i would say that there's an issue. but to get upset that a professional athelete may smoke weed, wow that's a shocker.

      i agree that jp shouldn't have been aloud to pitch, but it's due to his 84 mph "fast" ball and him basically only having 2 pitches at this point of his career. it has nothing to do with him making weed his buzz of choice.

      • S says:

        and yes, even in today's "TMZ" world, beatwriters protect their teams. their jobs depend on the teams, and not many papers are looking to hire a writer that snitched on their last team.

      • S says:

        allowed not aloud, wow, i need coffee!!!!!!!!!

      • Morgan says:

        Didn't realize that many of the local pro athletes commonly smoked marijuana- definitely not okay in my book as a season ticket holder for several of the sports.

        Thanks for opening my eyes - you might approve of it, but I don't.

        • S says:

          i didn't say local. but since you brought it up, t jackson, e dukes, longoria, price, howell, and jerramy stevens have all been accused in public and i'm sure i missed a few. mlb and the nba basically test one time a year. if they did randomly tests everyone in those leagues they would have to stagger the test because some teams probably couldn't field an entire team.

          jerramy stevens got busted with quanity on the way to the team hotel. i'm going to go on the record to say it wasn't for personal use. weed use is pretty common in professional sports, it isn't isolated to ricky williams and tanard jackson. i hate to bust you bubble.

          as a season ticket holder, were you ok with jerramy stevens before he got busted for weed? were you ok with him being a backup tight end?

          • S says:

            and how can i omit "smokey"scotty k?

            please tell me you are just pulling my strings with the weed usage statement.

            but i would love to hear your answer on stevens. did you like him as a player, did him being on the bucs team upset you until he was cut for weed?

        • Sarah says:

          Do you disapprove because of it's effects on performance, or because it's illegal?

          In terms of effects on performance, I'm more concerned about the amount of alcohol they consume. Actually, I'm surprised in general that professional baseball players aren't more concerned about healthy eating and monitoring alcohol consumption themselves. These are guys whose livelihood depends on their remaining fit. I'd be less worried about the impact of ocassionally getting high than I am with the impact of a diet of beer and junk food.

        • S says:

          Please check your morals at the door. It’s really hard to fit a halo under a helmet.

          Jerramy stevens…..
          Arrest for 2nd degree assault armed with a deadly weapon
          Arrested for sexual assault on a 19 yr old freshman. Allegedly drugged her and then raped and sodomized her in a courtyard. He got off by saying it was consensual and the charges were dropped. It’s just a little had to believe she would give up her virginity and allow sodomy in a courtyard between two dorms. She late sued him and the school and received a settlement.
          2 DUIs
          1 Hit and Run
          Possession of marijuana
          2 count of felony assault.
          All but the last one took place before or during his time with the bucs. So I have to laugh when I hear someone say they have several season tickets and are somehow offended by alleged weed use of professional atheletes. Jerramy stevens was about the biggest POS in the nfl, and yet you and others didn’t seem to mind paying his salary.

          so yes, god forbid that a couple of the rays smoked a little weed. excuse me while i light my spliff.

          and sarah for what it's worth, the ny times stated that as many as 70% of nba players smoked weed. when was the last time you played any full court basketball? very few people could do it if they were a beer-a-holic, but some could. chris mullen drank a case of beer everyday, including game days.

          • Sarah says:

            S, do you intend to sound snarky and dismissive in your posts? For some reason that's the tone you adopt even when you are basically in agreement.

            At any rate, I wasn't saying that these guys are unable to play because of any recreational drug or alcohol use. I'm just saying that recreational drug and alcohol use are unlikely to be helpful to their goal of having long and successful careers. Neither is a diet of chicken mcnuggets, for that matter.

          • S says:

            sorry. but i don't see how i was "snarky" towards you. was i a smartass toward the "season ticket" holder? without a doubt! i'm shocked that someone can be that naive in todays world, and i really doubt they were sincere. a fan of the duemig show or a reader to this site, is somehow shocked to hear that some athletes in this area smoke weed, sure.

            no my point is (And i completely agree with you) that the NBA is a very cardio sport, and that alcohol surely isn't their buzz of choice. weed is pretty harmless as far as sports performance is concerned. very little side effects on the body vs alcohol or fast food for that matter.

            do you think that was michael phelps first bong hit? hardly.

            so all snarky aside, weed is illegal. should it be? the alcohol lobbyist make sure that our govt officials agree that it should be. is it less harmful than alcohol? yes. is it less harmful to society in general? i would have to say yes.

            are the rays concerned about weed use by our players? i would say yes, due to the fact that it was brought up as one of the reasons we traded scotty k. did it work? judging from the police report on the robbery, i'm going to go with no. i'm sure that management spoke to the gentlement in question, but that's about it. they definitely aren't going to make them take more test or anything like that. i'm sure that management just shook their heads and told them to be more careful.

            it's not a problem.

  7. Mark says:

    These issues probably had little or nothing to do with their on-field performance

  8. S says:

    dead horse, meet bat!!!!!

    Ok, on the way into work I heard a commercial that completely reaffirmed my stance on the stadium issue. What was the commercial? An ad for lightning tickets for the season opener.

    A lot of you have been jumping up and down concerning the new owner and all their ticket selling success. Really? A new owner, coming off of a very successful season, retaining most of the team, major renovations to the arena, tons of promotions and gimmicks to entice ticket sales, and yet the freaking home opener isn’t even sold out yet. Yes, I know it’s improved, but once again, the season opener has yet to sell out.

    I still go back to the “hometown team” theory. You will never be able to put a real number on viable fans in our entire state. Between the retirees and fans that will never drop allegiance to their hometown team, the population numbers for our state sports markets are greatly overstated. Warm bodies don’t and won’t ever translate to fans in the seats when using the same formula applies to other cities or states. When you also factor in the competition for entertainment-expendable income that happens in our state then that throws another variable into the equation.

    Don’t believe me? Our state has produced a superbowl champ, a Stanley cup, world series rings, and 2 AL championships in the recent past. Yet the bucs, jags, dolphins, rays, marlins, panthers, and yes even the lightning, all struggle to put people in the seats. Look at the numbers, all of these teams are at or near the bottom in ticket sales, be it total numbers or attendance % in the stadiums.

    The rays are going to get hosed on a stadium. The marlins won’t draw flies in their new stadium in 5 years or so, and I truly doubt that the mlb welfare checks will ever stop for their franchise. Now the latest buzz is that the bucs could possibly be moved to London in a few years. This one has got to raise eyebrows for local govt leaders. If the glazers are willing to say “screw you tampa bay”, break their lease, and leave USF with the keys to Raymond James, then this pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for a new baseball stadium. Yes I know, it’s a rumor, but there has to be something to it.

    Consider that the bucs can’t sell 60K tickets for 8 Sundays a year, the lightning can’t sell 19K a night for 41 games, how in the world do you expect to put 30K a night for 81 nights for a mlb team? It simply isn’t going to happen, no matter what the location of the stadium is.

    Yes, there are other factors, and the economy stinks, but you have to ask yourself. Is florida a viable professional sports market? When you have little to no expendable income(won't change soon), and you’re competing with mickey mouse, the hard rock casinos, a bunch of major college sports programs, and the beaches and outdoors. then where does professional sports fit into that equation? And like I said, once you factor out the retirees and transplants, what does that truly leave you as a sports market to draw from? I saw someone mention milwalkee, what are they competing against for entertainment? once you’ve got your hunting supplies for the year, and maybe you are lucky enough to get go to a single packers game, then what other options do you have for entertainment. And let’s face it you’re born a packers fan and a brewers fan, that simply doesn’t happen in this area.

    Is florida a viable pro sports market? The jury may still be out, but if history is an indicator, then they’re about to come to a verdict. Will a new stadium ever give us a measurable ROI? How valid and binding is a lease? especially when you consider that if the bucs or rays leave then they will NEVER be replaced. I know we all love the rays and would love to see them stay and seeing them in a $750 million stadium would be unreal, but it’s going to be a hard sell. With the latest bucs news and a lot of residents still remembering how the glazers played that, you gotta ask yourself how committed the tampa officials are concerning a new stadium also.


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