Archive for December 22nd, 2009

Baseball America’s Projected Rays 2012 Lineup

Ben Zobrist, BJ Upton, Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, Desmond Jennings, Jason Bartlett, Jeff Niemann, Kelly Shoppach, Wade Davis 20 Comments »

For those that follow the minor league system, it always fun to project the Rays lineup 2-3 years down the road. Baseball America does just this with the release of their Top 10 Rays prospects list. And while projecting a lineup 2-3 years into the future is akin to guessing how many times BJ Upton will be picked off first base, BA’s list raises a few eyebrows…

A few thoughts on the lineup projection…

  • This is proof of how weak the Rays system is at the catcher position. Does anybody think the Rays are counting on Kelly Shoppach to be the everyday catcher in 2012?
  • Carlos Pena is a free agent at the end of the year, but we would not be surprised to see Pena give the Rays a “thanks for saving my career” discount and sign an extension.
  • There are very good reasons to believe that 2009 was not a fluke for Jason Bartlett. But he will be two years on the wrong side of 30 in 2012 and it is reasonable to think his offensive and defensive skills will have started to decline. Barty will also be a free agent following the 2011 season and due a large raise.
  • Most of us would love to see Carl Crawford play his entire career in a Rays uniform. But it just doesn’t seem realistic. A free agent at the end of the year, CC is more likely to be in a new uniform in 2011, if not sooner.
  • Desmond Jennings and BJ Upton is an interesting scenario. Upton might have a slight edge in range which means the Rays would want him in center. But he also has a strong edge in arm, which the Rays would love to have in right field. But should the Rays also consider that Upton has finally found a comfortable position after being bounced around the field like a Pinata?
  • Zobrist will be 31 in 2011. And while he is not as good defensively as some metrics suggested in 2009, it is difficult to think that Ben Zobrist will have regressed so much by 2011 that he will be the most-days DH. A more likely scenario would have Reid Brignac take over at shortstop for a departed Jason Bartlett and Zobrist at second base.
  • The top 4 starting pitchers seem safe. But we are surprised to see Jeff Niemann over Wade Davis in the rotation. Davis has shown that he can stay healthy and be a workhorse. Meanwhile there are still questions about Niemann’s stamina. Joe Maddon gave Niemann extra rest in 15 of his 30 starts. Opponents’ OPS was over 100 points lower when he was on 5 days rest (.666) as opposed to the normal 4 (.768). We’d say if one was headed to the bullpen, it is more likely to be Niemann.
  • Notables left out: Jake McGee (closer?), Tim Beckham (he will either be in the picture by 2012 or he will be a bust), Matt Moore (double-A in 2010 suggests he is on pace to be a factor in 2012)

Baseball America’s Top 10 Rays Prospects

Alex Torres, Alexander Colome, Desmond Jennings, Jake McGee, Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore, Nick Barnese, Reid Brignac, Tim Beckham, Top Prospects, Wade Davis 1 Comment »

hangoverBaseball America has released their annual list of the Rays Top 10 prospects. The number in parentheses is that player’s 2009 ranking…

1. Desmond Jennings, of (5)
2. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp (8)
3. Wade Davis, rhp (3)
4. Matt Moore, lhp (6)
5. Reid Brignac, ss (4)
6. Tim Beckham, ss (2)
7. Alexander Colome, lhp (NR)
8. Jake McGee, lhp (9)
9. Alex Torres, lhp (NR)
10. Nick Barnese, rhp (7)

A few notes on the list…

  • The top 4 are no surprise. We would not be surprised if both Desmond Jennings and Jeremy Hellickson are both in the top 10 of BA’s top 100 prospects list.
  • We are a little surprised that Tim Beckham fell all the way to 6, and behind Reid Brignac. The rise of Brignac’s star has slowed considerably, and Beckham held his own in his first full pro season while facing older competition in the South Atlantic League. Of course, Beckham’s status is hurt if he is not a long-term shortstop. And his 43 errors in 117 games does bring that question into play.
  • Alexander Colome was voted the top prospect this season in the New York Penn League.
  • Jake McGee will be 100% this season for the first time since early 2008. While the Rays are still holding out hope that he will develop into a big league starter, for the first time they are openly talking about a move to the bullpen and possible future closer.
  • Alex Torres came to the Rays in the Scott Kazmir deal. He was not ranked in the Angels system a year ago.
  • Nick Barnese’s status is hurt by an injury-shortened 2009 season that limited him to 15 starts. As a result, look for the Rays to limit his workload in 2010 to about 120 innings.

[THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Talbot To Cleveland, Top Prospects And Another Burrell Rumor

Mitch Talbot, Pat Burrell, Top Prospects 2 Comments »

Just a few links on Steve Garvey’s and Steve Carlton’s birthday…

DEVIL DOGS WEBTOPIA

  • Little surprise here…Mitch Talbot was sent to the Indians to complete the Shoppach deal. Several writers have suggested the Indians ended up with the better player in this deal. But keep in mind that Talbot is out of minor league options, and the Rays had no room on the 25-man roster. [The Heater]
  • Stacy Long has released his list of the Rays top 30 prospects. Kepp in mind, unlike most Rays Top Prospects lists, Long has actually seen most of these guys play…And we will forgive Long for his shot at the great state of Iowa. [Biscuit Crumbs]
  • Trop Talk projects the Rays 2010 lineup. [Trop Talk]
  • Jayson Stark reports that the Rays were one part of a complicated 4-team trade that fell apart during the winter meetings. In the end, the trade was no different than the proposed trade with the Cubs in which the Rays would have received Milton Bradley and Pat Burrell would have gone to the Cubs (scroll down to 5:03pm). [ESPN]